... where are all the "there are no rules" people? Shouldn't they be
jumping to the defense of phyto and Mosey?
I wonder...
21 messages in this thread |
Started on 2006-11-26
I wonder...
From: Pungent Bob (PungentBob@HotPOP.com) |
Date: 2006-11-26 18:22:23 UTC
Re: I wonder...
From: alwayschaos (alwayschaos@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2006-11-26 22:38:30 UTC
Good point. Doubt any of them think it should apply to anyone but
themselves, tho.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Pungent Bob"
wrote:
>
> ... where are all the "there are no rules" people? Shouldn't they be
> jumping to the defense of phyto and Mosey?
>
themselves, tho.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Pungent Bob"
wrote:
>
> ... where are all the "there are no rules" people? Shouldn't they be
> jumping to the defense of phyto and Mosey?
>
Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
From: Nathan Brown (Cyclonic07@aol.com) |
Date: 2006-11-26 21:15:05 UTC-05:00
Pungent Bob wrote on 11/26/2006, 1:22 PM:
> ... where are all the "there are no rules" people? Shouldn't they be
> jumping to the defense of phyto and Mosey?
Thats right, there are no rules... but, that also means that you
shouldn't be shoving you own rules down everyone elses throat.
If they don't want to post boxes on the internet that is fine. But
don't go crying that other people do, and further use those resources to
get clues themselves. What is it? Either the internet is good or not.
--
Nathan Brown
AKA Cyclonic
Penncoasters.com
"I see your schwartz is as big as mine!"
The insensitivity rolls on...
Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
From: Randy Hall (randy@mapsurfer.com) |
Date: 2006-11-26 23:49:34 UTC-05:00
> ... where are all the "there are no rules" people?
This: (mfbp qje rioolbcqdr) scares them away. (Disclaimer:
literal text intended; any other reading is the semiosis of
the reader, and not the author's intent).
> one box with no clue at all
The only way to fly [1]. Most of my finds are along these lines.
Don't knock it until you try it :-) (To be honest, I don't
read this list that often (like, who didn't know that (it is
interesting, that, as a linguist, we use "like" in spoken word,
but rarely in written word (at least in this usage), so, of
course, I had to (and I know why; how's that for semiotics)
(and, like (different usage, of course) the immortal Raymond
Carver, we spend an hour deciding whether or not to include a
comma (not to mention a '(' or a ')')))), so it is quite possible
this sub-genre of the hobby (that is, finding boxes without
using the clues when there are actually clues) is quite old
news).
But, if not, try it! Its really cool. Go to a small park near
an area with a large population and start knocking the tupperware
down via the power of your own skills of wit and observation.
Trust me, its alot of fun.
And, in other news, there are two things (at least), that remain
true. I never compromise my outlook, and still enjoy reading
SpringChick's posts (and I don't intend that it be construed that
the two are related (and I don't intend that the following be
related either (or not), but I admire intelligence and common
sense even if I disagree with the thesis)).
Cheers
Randy
relegated to the dustbin [2] LbNA co-founder and nominal list manager
[1] Free mapsurfer 3 question card to the first person who e-mails me
the name of the actor I'm thinking of.
[2] I love using this word, even when it is not true. It reminds me
of the only band I can think of with 2 bass players. Can you do the
same?
[3] Its for sale, if you care
Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
From: Rick Simpson (simpson.rick@gmail.com) |
Date: 2006-11-27 00:49:11 UTC-08:00
The "no rules people" are probably tired of the topic. Thus like the rules,
they ignore the topic.
Like the seasons, Letterboxing has it's annual topics. You can put them in
order of the seasons, or maybe not:
Postal letterboxers...spawn of satan or ????
X number of finds should be required before someone should be allowed to
plant.
I absolutely know the boxer that ruined my box!
We should define the rules and I am the person to do so!
Are you hiking, or racking up finds?
My clues don't suck, I'm just smarter than you.
Pungent Bob brags about his $100 box.
At the end of the day we all have our own motivations. What's yours?
I believe the LB community is stronger when it embraces inclusion rather
than exclusion. Don't be an * I've been one for awhile and it's not all
that it's cracked up to be.
On 11/26/06, Randy Hall wrote:
>
>
> > ... where are all the "there are no rules" people?
>
> This: (mfbp qje rioolbcqdr) scares them away. (Disclaimer:
> literal text intended; any other reading is the semiosis of
> the reader, and not the author's intent).
>
> > one box with no clue at all
>
> The only way to fly [1]. Most of my finds are along these lines.
>
> Don't knock it until you try it :-) (To be honest, I don't
> read this list that often (like, who didn't know that (it is
> interesting, that, as a linguist, we use "like" in spoken word,
> but rarely in written word (at least in this usage), so, of
> course, I had to (and I know why; how's that for semiotics)
> (and, like (different usage, of course) the immortal Raymond
> Carver, we spend an hour deciding whether or not to include a
> comma (not to mention a '(' or a ')')))), so it is quite possible
> this sub-genre of the hobby (that is, finding boxes without
> using the clues when there are actually clues) is quite old
> news).
>
> But, if not, try it! Its really cool. Go to a small park near
> an area with a large population and start knocking the tupperware
> down via the power of your own skills of wit and observation.
> Trust me, its alot of fun.
>
> And, in other news, there are two things (at least), that remain
> true. I never compromise my outlook, and still enjoy reading
> SpringChick's posts (and I don't intend that it be construed that
> the two are related (and I don't intend that the following be
> related either (or not), but I admire intelligence and common
> sense even if I disagree with the thesis)).
>
> Cheers
> Randy
> relegated to the dustbin [2] LbNA co-founder and nominal list manager
>
> [1] Free mapsurfer 3 question card to the first person who e-mails me
> the name of the actor I'm thinking of.
> [2] I love using this word, even when it is not true. It reminds me
> of the only band I can think of with 2 bass players. Can you do the
> same?
> [3] Its for sale, if you care
>
>
>
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they ignore the topic.
Like the seasons, Letterboxing has it's annual topics. You can put them in
order of the seasons, or maybe not:
Postal letterboxers...spawn of satan or ????
X number of finds should be required before someone should be allowed to
plant.
I absolutely know the boxer that ruined my box!
We should define the rules and I am the person to do so!
Are you hiking, or racking up finds?
My clues don't suck, I'm just smarter than you.
Pungent Bob brags about his $100 box.
At the end of the day we all have our own motivations. What's yours?
I believe the LB community is stronger when it embraces inclusion rather
than exclusion. Don't be an * I've been one for awhile and it's not all
that it's cracked up to be.
On 11/26/06, Randy Hall
>
>
> > ... where are all the "there are no rules" people?
>
> This: (mfbp qje rioolbcqdr) scares them away. (Disclaimer:
> literal text intended; any other reading is the semiosis of
> the reader, and not the author's intent).
>
> > one box with no clue at all
>
> The only way to fly [1]. Most of my finds are along these lines.
>
> Don't knock it until you try it :-) (To be honest, I don't
> read this list that often (like, who didn't know that (it is
> interesting, that, as a linguist, we use "like" in spoken word,
> but rarely in written word (at least in this usage), so, of
> course, I had to (and I know why; how's that for semiotics)
> (and, like (different usage, of course) the immortal Raymond
> Carver, we spend an hour deciding whether or not to include a
> comma (not to mention a '(' or a ')')))), so it is quite possible
> this sub-genre of the hobby (that is, finding boxes without
> using the clues when there are actually clues) is quite old
> news).
>
> But, if not, try it! Its really cool. Go to a small park near
> an area with a large population and start knocking the tupperware
> down via the power of your own skills of wit and observation.
> Trust me, its alot of fun.
>
> And, in other news, there are two things (at least), that remain
> true. I never compromise my outlook, and still enjoy reading
> SpringChick's posts (and I don't intend that it be construed that
> the two are related (and I don't intend that the following be
> related either (or not), but I admire intelligence and common
> sense even if I disagree with the thesis)).
>
> Cheers
> Randy
> relegated to the dustbin [2] LbNA co-founder and nominal list manager
>
> [1] Free mapsurfer 3 question card to the first person who e-mails me
> the name of the actor I'm thinking of.
> [2] I love using this word, even when it is not true. It reminds me
> of the only band I can think of with 2 bass players. Can you do the
> same?
> [3] Its for sale, if you care
>
>
>
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Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
From: SpringChick (letterbox@comcast.net) |
Date: 2006-11-27 06:16:31 UTC-05:00
Hey Mapsurfer, good to see you poke your head up -- watch out for flying rutabagas though.
The discussion about finding boxes without the clues is an interesting diversion. I know of an area park which has had a 20-box series planted in it for over a year now for which clues have never been posted. As it's on the way to the Christmas tree farm we go to, I just may pop in there next weekend and try my luck -- should help even more that I have found several other boxes by the planters and am familiar with their MO.
SpringChick
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Hall
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
> ... where are all the "there are no rules" people?
This: (mfbp qje rioolbcqdr) scares them away. (Disclaimer:
literal text intended; any other reading is the semiosis of
the reader, and not the author's intent).
> one box with no clue at all
The only way to fly [1]. Most of my finds are along these lines.
Don't knock it until you try it :-) (To be honest, I don't
read this list that often (like, who didn't know that (it is
interesting, that, as a linguist, we use "like" in spoken word,
but rarely in written word (at least in this usage), so, of
course, I had to (and I know why; how's that for semiotics)
(and, like (different usage, of course) the immortal Raymond
Carver, we spend an hour deciding whether or not to include a
comma (not to mention a '(' or a ')')))), so it is quite possible
this sub-genre of the hobby (that is, finding boxes without
using the clues when there are actually clues) is quite old
news).
But, if not, try it! Its really cool. Go to a small park near
an area with a large population and start knocking the tupperware
down via the power of your own skills of wit and observation.
Trust me, its alot of fun.
And, in other news, there are two things (at least), that remain
true. I never compromise my outlook, and still enjoy reading
SpringChick's posts (and I don't intend that it be construed that
the two are related (and I don't intend that the following be
related either (or not), but I admire intelligence and common
sense even if I disagree with the thesis)).
Cheers
Randy
relegated to the dustbin [2] LbNA co-founder and nominal list manager
[1] Free mapsurfer 3 question card to the first person who e-mails me
the name of the actor I'm thinking of.
[2] I love using this word, even when it is not true. It reminds me
of the only band I can think of with 2 bass players. Can you do the
same?
[3] Its for sale, if you care
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
The discussion about finding boxes without the clues is an interesting diversion. I know of an area park which has had a 20-box series planted in it for over a year now for which clues have never been posted. As it's on the way to the Christmas tree farm we go to, I just may pop in there next weekend and try my luck -- should help even more that I have found several other boxes by the planters and am familiar with their MO.
SpringChick
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Hall
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
> ... where are all the "there are no rules" people?
This: (mfbp qje rioolbcqdr) scares them away. (Disclaimer:
literal text intended; any other reading is the semiosis of
the reader, and not the author's intent).
> one box with no clue at all
The only way to fly [1]. Most of my finds are along these lines.
Don't knock it until you try it :-) (To be honest, I don't
read this list that often (like, who didn't know that (it is
interesting, that, as a linguist, we use "like" in spoken word,
but rarely in written word (at least in this usage), so, of
course, I had to (and I know why; how's that for semiotics)
(and, like (different usage, of course) the immortal Raymond
Carver, we spend an hour deciding whether or not to include a
comma (not to mention a '(' or a ')')))), so it is quite possible
this sub-genre of the hobby (that is, finding boxes without
using the clues when there are actually clues) is quite old
news).
But, if not, try it! Its really cool. Go to a small park near
an area with a large population and start knocking the tupperware
down via the power of your own skills of wit and observation.
Trust me, its alot of fun.
And, in other news, there are two things (at least), that remain
true. I never compromise my outlook, and still enjoy reading
SpringChick's posts (and I don't intend that it be construed that
the two are related (and I don't intend that the following be
related either (or not), but I admire intelligence and common
sense even if I disagree with the thesis)).
Cheers
Randy
relegated to the dustbin [2] LbNA co-founder and nominal list manager
[1] Free mapsurfer 3 question card to the first person who e-mails me
the name of the actor I'm thinking of.
[2] I love using this word, even when it is not true. It reminds me
of the only band I can think of with 2 bass players. Can you do the
same?
[3] Its for sale, if you care
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Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
From: Hikers and Hounds (hikers_n_hounds@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2006-11-27 04:27:55 UTC-08:00
Over here (waving hand)!! I'm just trying to stay out of the fray, but yep, I agree with them both. Hell, they can stuff them in burlap hang them on a tree and called them birds nests, or glue all the contents down leave the lid open and mount them on a wall and call it modern art. Their boxes, their rules. There are so many other boxes out there to be found, turn off the computer and go get 'em!
Pungent Bob wrote: ... where are all the "there are no rules" people? Shouldn't they be
jumping to the defense of phyto and Mosey?
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Pungent Bob
jumping to the defense of phyto and Mosey?
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Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
From: Suzanne Coe (wilmcoe@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2006-11-27 04:51:15 UTC-08:00
20--wow, there's a fun way to spend the day. How did you find out they were there?
I've never been successful with "I don't have the clues but I know there's a box in this park somewhere"--although I found the most creative geocache I've ever seen that way (it was a hand-sized rubber frog stuck in a split in a tree). Heck, with some people's boxes (naming no nominal list owners' names) I can HAVE the clues & know I'm within 30 paces of the box and still not find it, repeatedly.... 20 in one park would be good odds, though!
Sheba
SpringChick wrote:
Hey Mapsurfer, good to see you poke your head up -- watch out for flying rutabagas though.
The discussion about finding boxes without the clues is an interesting diversion. I know of an area park which has had a 20-box series planted in it for over a year now for which clues have never been posted. As it's on the way to the Christmas tree farm we go to, I just may pop in there next weekend and try my luck -- should help even more that I have found several other boxes by the planters and am familiar with their MO.
SpringChick
---------------------------------
Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
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I've never been successful with "I don't have the clues but I know there's a box in this park somewhere"--although I found the most creative geocache I've ever seen that way (it was a hand-sized rubber frog stuck in a split in a tree). Heck, with some people's boxes (naming no nominal list owners' names) I can HAVE the clues & know I'm within 30 paces of the box and still not find it, repeatedly.... 20 in one park would be good odds, though!
Sheba
SpringChick
Hey Mapsurfer, good to see you poke your head up -- watch out for flying rutabagas though.
The discussion about finding boxes without the clues is an interesting diversion. I know of an area park which has had a 20-box series planted in it for over a year now for which clues have never been posted. As it's on the way to the Christmas tree farm we go to, I just may pop in there next weekend and try my luck -- should help even more that I have found several other boxes by the planters and am familiar with their MO.
SpringChick
---------------------------------
Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
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RE: [LbNA] I wonder...
From: xxxxxxxx (BrighidFarm@comcast.net) |
Date: 2006-11-27 07:16:06 UTC-06:00
I "sort of" found a box without the clues, but that's the closest I've come.
I had the clues to one of Happy Hippo's boxes but was obviously reading them
very very wrong because no matter how many different ways I tried it, I
couldn't follow the clues. Couldn't get 'em to fit. I figured there was
probably something very simple that I was missing. So I took a stab at
where I thought the end result might be and started searching. Lo & behold
I found the box. But I was still really bummed that I couldn't get the
gist of those clues. So on another day when I had more time, I went back
and, knowing where the box was, I worked the clues backwards to figure out
where I'd gone wrong. It had just really bugged me.
But I've never just come across either a letterbox or a geocache purely by
accident. That would be fun. The Clues That Came Down From the Heavens.
~~ Mosey ~~
-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of SpringChick
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 5:17 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
Hey Mapsurfer, good to see you poke your head up -- watch out for flying
rutabagas though.
The discussion about finding boxes without the clues is an interesting
diversion. I know of an area park which has had a 20-box series planted in
it for over a year now for which clues have never been posted. As it's on
the way to the Christmas tree farm we go to, I just may pop in there next
weekend and try my luck -- should help even more that I have found several
other boxes by the planters and am familiar with their MO.
SpringChick
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Hall
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
> ... where are all the "there are no rules" people?
This: (mfbp qje rioolbcqdr) scares them away. (Disclaimer:
literal text intended; any other reading is the semiosis of
the reader, and not the author's intent).
> one box with no clue at all
The only way to fly [1]. Most of my finds are along these lines.
Don't knock it until you try it :-) (To be honest, I don't
read this list that often (like, who didn't know that (it is
interesting, that, as a linguist, we use "like" in spoken word,
but rarely in written word (at least in this usage), so, of
course, I had to (and I know why; how's that for semiotics)
(and, like (different usage, of course) the immortal Raymond
Carver, we spend an hour deciding whether or not to include a
comma (not to mention a '(' or a ')')))), so it is quite possible
this sub-genre of the hobby (that is, finding boxes without
using the clues when there are actually clues) is quite old
news).
But, if not, try it! Its really cool. Go to a small park near
an area with a large population and start knocking the tupperware
down via the power of your own skills of wit and observation.
Trust me, its alot of fun.
And, in other news, there are two things (at least), that remain
true. I never compromise my outlook, and still enjoy reading
SpringChick's posts (and I don't intend that it be construed that
the two are related (and I don't intend that the following be
related either (or not), but I admire intelligence and common
sense even if I disagree with the thesis)).
Cheers
Randy
relegated to the dustbin [2] LbNA co-founder and nominal list manager
[1] Free mapsurfer 3 question card to the first person who e-mails me
the name of the actor I'm thinking of.
[2] I love using this word, even when it is not true. It reminds me
of the only band I can think of with 2 bass players. Can you do the
same?
[3] Its for sale, if you care
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I had the clues to one of Happy Hippo's boxes but was obviously reading them
very very wrong because no matter how many different ways I tried it, I
couldn't follow the clues. Couldn't get 'em to fit. I figured there was
probably something very simple that I was missing. So I took a stab at
where I thought the end result might be and started searching. Lo & behold
I found the box. But I was still really bummed that I couldn't get the
gist of those clues. So on another day when I had more time, I went back
and, knowing where the box was, I worked the clues backwards to figure out
where I'd gone wrong. It had just really bugged me.
But I've never just come across either a letterbox or a geocache purely by
accident. That would be fun. The Clues That Came Down From the Heavens.
~~ Mosey ~~
-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of SpringChick
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 5:17 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
Hey Mapsurfer, good to see you poke your head up -- watch out for flying
rutabagas though.
The discussion about finding boxes without the clues is an interesting
diversion. I know of an area park which has had a 20-box series planted in
it for over a year now for which clues have never been posted. As it's on
the way to the Christmas tree farm we go to, I just may pop in there next
weekend and try my luck -- should help even more that I have found several
other boxes by the planters and am familiar with their MO.
SpringChick
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Hall
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
> ... where are all the "there are no rules" people?
This: (mfbp qje rioolbcqdr) scares them away. (Disclaimer:
literal text intended; any other reading is the semiosis of
the reader, and not the author's intent).
> one box with no clue at all
The only way to fly [1]. Most of my finds are along these lines.
Don't knock it until you try it :-) (To be honest, I don't
read this list that often (like, who didn't know that (it is
interesting, that, as a linguist, we use "like" in spoken word,
but rarely in written word (at least in this usage), so, of
course, I had to (and I know why; how's that for semiotics)
(and, like (different usage, of course) the immortal Raymond
Carver, we spend an hour deciding whether or not to include a
comma (not to mention a '(' or a ')')))), so it is quite possible
this sub-genre of the hobby (that is, finding boxes without
using the clues when there are actually clues) is quite old
news).
But, if not, try it! Its really cool. Go to a small park near
an area with a large population and start knocking the tupperware
down via the power of your own skills of wit and observation.
Trust me, its alot of fun.
And, in other news, there are two things (at least), that remain
true. I never compromise my outlook, and still enjoy reading
SpringChick's posts (and I don't intend that it be construed that
the two are related (and I don't intend that the following be
related either (or not), but I admire intelligence and common
sense even if I disagree with the thesis)).
Cheers
Randy
relegated to the dustbin [2] LbNA co-founder and nominal list manager
[1] Free mapsurfer 3 question card to the first person who e-mails me
the name of the actor I'm thinking of.
[2] I love using this word, even when it is not true. It reminds me
of the only band I can think of with 2 bass players. Can you do the
same?
[3] Its for sale, if you care
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
From: (MDHASZ@aol.com) |
Date: 2006-11-27 09:40:20 UTC-05:00
In a message dated 11/27/2006 3:54:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
simpson.rick@gmail.com writes:
At the end of the day we all have our own motivations. What's yours?
I hate to hike, I hate to walk but I love being in the woods. I use the
letterboxes as a carrot ( who said keep food away from them LOL). I have searched
for far more boxes than I have found but am never discouraged. I bring extra
baggies to refurbish the boxes that need some TLC and bring something to pick
up litter.
When driving or riding I look for places to place the boxes I am planning and
I make letterboxing what I want it to be for me.
So what motivates me? On any given day it could be the fact I prefer to
letterbox than do laundry, the need to learn something orjust because!!!!
So today I will grab my cane...walking stick... and place the HH I found over
the weekend
Happily living in the land of plenty, Connecticut
In Her light
DancingStar and Zippy
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simpson.rick@gmail.com writes:
At the end of the day we all have our own motivations. What's yours?
I hate to hike, I hate to walk but I love being in the woods. I use the
letterboxes as a carrot ( who said keep food away from them LOL). I have searched
for far more boxes than I have found but am never discouraged. I bring extra
baggies to refurbish the boxes that need some TLC and bring something to pick
up litter.
When driving or riding I look for places to place the boxes I am planning and
I make letterboxing what I want it to be for me.
So what motivates me? On any given day it could be the fact I prefer to
letterbox than do laundry, the need to learn something orjust because!!!!
So today I will grab my cane...walking stick... and place the HH I found over
the weekend
Happily living in the land of plenty, Connecticut
In Her light
DancingStar and Zippy
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Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
From: Roze (rozebud@rocketmail.com) |
Date: 2006-11-27 08:35:08 UTC-08:00
--- Rick Simpson wrote:
> I believe the LB community is stronger when it embraces inclusion
> rather
> than exclusion. Don't be an * I've been one for awhile and it's not
> all
> that it's cracked up to be.
Who is this Rick Simpson person, and how did he get so smart? ;-D
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> I believe the LB community is stronger when it embraces inclusion
> rather
> than exclusion. Don't be an * I've been one for awhile and it's not
> all
> that it's cracked up to be.
Who is this Rick Simpson person, and how did he get so smart? ;-D
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Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
From: funhog1 (funhog@pacifier.com) |
Date: 2006-11-27 18:27:17 UTC
I got a chuckle outa this. It just PROVES that some folks are smarter
than others. (Maybe not smarter but at least more involved in old
school stealth boxing.) There are those who know to read between the
lines whenever the Pungent One posts. Careful perusal can sometimes be
rewarded with a hundred dollar bill! I know I certainly enjoyed it
when I got my hands on that bit o' bounty.
I'm pleased to see that Phyto and Mosey are still proponents of
stealth. Keep up the good work. Funhog
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Simpson"
wrote:
> Like the seasons, Letterboxing has it's annual topics. You can put
them in
> order of the seasons, or maybe not:
> My clues don't suck, I'm just smarter than you.
> Pungent Bob brags about his $100 box.
>
than others. (Maybe not smarter but at least more involved in old
school stealth boxing.) There are those who know to read between the
lines whenever the Pungent One posts. Careful perusal can sometimes be
rewarded with a hundred dollar bill! I know I certainly enjoyed it
when I got my hands on that bit o' bounty.
I'm pleased to see that Phyto and Mosey are still proponents of
stealth. Keep up the good work. Funhog
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Simpson"
> Like the seasons, Letterboxing has it's annual topics. You can put
them in
> order of the seasons, or maybe not:
> My clues don't suck, I'm just smarter than you.
> Pungent Bob brags about his $100 box.
>
Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
From: (alice.stone@comcast.net) |
Date: 2006-11-27 18:51:02 UTC
As well you should brag ! I would too !A good letterboxing day is well worth it !!!
Wildcats
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "funhog1"
I got a chuckle outa this. It just PROVES that some folks are smarter
than others. (Maybe not smarter but at least more involved in old
school stealth boxing.) There are those who know to read between the
lines whenever the Pungent One posts. Careful perusal can sometimes be
rewarded with a hundred dollar bill! I know I certainly enjoyed it
when I got my hands on that bit o' bounty.
I'm pleased to see that Phyto and Mosey are still proponents of
stealth. Keep up the good work. Funhog
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Simpson"
wrote:
> Like the seasons, Letterboxing has it's annual topics. You can put
them in
> order of the seasons, or maybe not:
> My clues don't suck, I'm just smarter than you.
> Pungent Bob brags about his $100 box.
>
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Wildcats
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "funhog1"
I got a chuckle outa this. It just PROVES that some folks are smarter
than others. (Maybe not smarter but at least more involved in old
school stealth boxing.) There are those who know to read between the
lines whenever the Pungent One posts. Careful perusal can sometimes be
rewarded with a hundred dollar bill! I know I certainly enjoyed it
when I got my hands on that bit o' bounty.
I'm pleased to see that Phyto and Mosey are still proponents of
stealth. Keep up the good work. Funhog
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Simpson"
> Like the seasons, Letterboxing has it's annual topics. You can put
them in
> order of the seasons, or maybe not:
> My clues don't suck, I'm just smarter than you.
> Pungent Bob brags about his $100 box.
>
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Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
From: alwayschaos (alwayschaos@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2006-11-27 20:02:29 UTC
A little more of this and a little less of the toxic rose is more my
liking. Don't be a stranger, Randy, we need more of what you offer
to soothe the soul of the forgotten letterboxers.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Randy Hall wrote:
> > ... where are all the "there are no rules" people?
>
> This: (mfbp qje rioolbcqdr) scares them away. (Disclaimer:
> literal text intended; any other reading is the semiosis of
> the reader, and not the author's intent).
>
> > one box with no clue at all
>
> The only way to fly [1]. Most of my finds are along these lines.
>
> Don't knock it until you try it :-) (To be honest, I don't
> read this list that often (like, who didn't know that (it is
> interesting, that, as a linguist, we use "like" in spoken word,
> but rarely in written word (at least in this usage), so, of
> course, I had to (and I know why; how's that for semiotics)
> (and, like (different usage, of course) the immortal Raymond
> Carver, we spend an hour deciding whether or not to include a
> comma (not to mention a '(' or a ')')))), so it is quite possible
> this sub-genre of the hobby (that is, finding boxes without
> using the clues when there are actually clues) is quite old
> news).
>
> But, if not, try it! Its really cool. Go to a small park near
> an area with a large population and start knocking the tupperware
> down via the power of your own skills of wit and observation.
> Trust me, its alot of fun.
>
> And, in other news, there are two things (at least), that remain
> true. I never compromise my outlook, and still enjoy reading
> SpringChick's posts (and I don't intend that it be construed that
> the two are related (and I don't intend that the following be
> related either (or not), but I admire intelligence and common
> sense even if I disagree with the thesis)).
>
> Cheers
> Randy
> relegated to the dustbin [2] LbNA co-founder and nominal list
manager
>
> [1] Free mapsurfer 3 question card to the first person who e-mails
me
> the name of the actor I'm thinking of.
> [2] I love using this word, even when it is not true. It reminds me
> of the only band I can think of with 2 bass players. Can you do the
> same?
> [3] Its for sale, if you care
>
liking. Don't be a stranger, Randy, we need more of what you offer
to soothe the soul of the forgotten letterboxers.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Randy Hall
> > ... where are all the "there are no rules" people?
>
> This: (mfbp qje rioolbcqdr) scares them away. (Disclaimer:
> literal text intended; any other reading is the semiosis of
> the reader, and not the author's intent).
>
> > one box with no clue at all
>
> The only way to fly [1]. Most of my finds are along these lines.
>
> Don't knock it until you try it :-) (To be honest, I don't
> read this list that often (like, who didn't know that (it is
> interesting, that, as a linguist, we use "like" in spoken word,
> but rarely in written word (at least in this usage), so, of
> course, I had to (and I know why; how's that for semiotics)
> (and, like (different usage, of course) the immortal Raymond
> Carver, we spend an hour deciding whether or not to include a
> comma (not to mention a '(' or a ')')))), so it is quite possible
> this sub-genre of the hobby (that is, finding boxes without
> using the clues when there are actually clues) is quite old
> news).
>
> But, if not, try it! Its really cool. Go to a small park near
> an area with a large population and start knocking the tupperware
> down via the power of your own skills of wit and observation.
> Trust me, its alot of fun.
>
> And, in other news, there are two things (at least), that remain
> true. I never compromise my outlook, and still enjoy reading
> SpringChick's posts (and I don't intend that it be construed that
> the two are related (and I don't intend that the following be
> related either (or not), but I admire intelligence and common
> sense even if I disagree with the thesis)).
>
> Cheers
> Randy
> relegated to the dustbin [2] LbNA co-founder and nominal list
manager
>
> [1] Free mapsurfer 3 question card to the first person who e-mails
me
> the name of the actor I'm thinking of.
> [2] I love using this word, even when it is not true. It reminds me
> of the only band I can think of with 2 bass players. Can you do the
> same?
> [3] Its for sale, if you care
>
Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
From: SpringChick (letterbox@comcast.net) |
Date: 2006-11-27 18:29:12 UTC-05:00
The folks who planted the boxes have mentioned the series a couple of times now at gatherings and in e-mail exchanges. Last I heard (a few months ago), the clues were ready to go, but they've not been posted yet. I had a guy write me a while back after finding one of my boxes in the same town and he mentioned that he had learned of letterboxing when he stumbled across one of these boxes of the 20-series. So I figure if a muggle can accidentally find a box there, I should be good for at least 3-4 of the 20.
I've happened upon geocaches a number of times over the past few years, but have never come across a letterbox that I wasn't looking for, but I tend to know of the letterboxes in a park before going there, which makes them boxes I *am* looking for.
SpringChick
----- Original Message -----
From: Suzanne Coe
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
20--wow, there's a fun way to spend the day. How did you find out they were there?
I've never been successful with "I don't have the clues but I know there's a box in this park somewhere"--although I found the most creative geocache I've ever seen that way (it was a hand-sized rubber frog stuck in a split in a tree). Heck, with some people's boxes (naming no nominal list owners' names) I can HAVE the clues & know I'm within 30 paces of the box and still not find it, repeatedly.... 20 in one park would be good odds, though!
Sheba
SpringChick wrote:
Hey Mapsurfer, good to see you poke your head up -- watch out for flying rutabagas though.
The discussion about finding boxes without the clues is an interesting diversion. I know of an area park which has had a 20-box series planted in it for over a year now for which clues have never been posted. As it's on the way to the Christmas tree farm we go to, I just may pop in there next weekend and try my luck -- should help even more that I have found several other boxes by the planters and am familiar with their MO.
SpringChick
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I've happened upon geocaches a number of times over the past few years, but have never come across a letterbox that I wasn't looking for, but I tend to know of the letterboxes in a park before going there, which makes them boxes I *am* looking for.
SpringChick
----- Original Message -----
From: Suzanne Coe
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
20--wow, there's a fun way to spend the day. How did you find out they were there?
I've never been successful with "I don't have the clues but I know there's a box in this park somewhere"--although I found the most creative geocache I've ever seen that way (it was a hand-sized rubber frog stuck in a split in a tree). Heck, with some people's boxes (naming no nominal list owners' names) I can HAVE the clues & know I'm within 30 paces of the box and still not find it, repeatedly.... 20 in one park would be good odds, though!
Sheba
SpringChick
Hey Mapsurfer, good to see you poke your head up -- watch out for flying rutabagas though.
The discussion about finding boxes without the clues is an interesting diversion. I know of an area park which has had a 20-box series planted in it for over a year now for which clues have never been posted. As it's on the way to the Christmas tree farm we go to, I just may pop in there next weekend and try my luck -- should help even more that I have found several other boxes by the planters and am familiar with their MO.
SpringChick
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Re: [LbNA] I wonder...
From: Enigma Stealthboxxer (stealthboxxer@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2006-11-28 07:44:24 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "funhog1" wrote:
>
> I got a chuckle outa this. It just PROVES that some folks are smarter
> than others. (Maybe not smarter but at least more involved in old
> school stealth boxing.)
Hey that sounds familiar.
SB
>
> I got a chuckle outa this. It just PROVES that some folks are smarter
> than others. (Maybe not smarter but at least more involved in old
> school stealth boxing.)
Hey that sounds familiar.
SB
Re:I wonder...
From: The FM Girl (mishiekins@prodigy.net) |
Date: 2006-11-28 13:21:21 UTC-08:00
>... where are all the "there are no rules" people? Shouldn't they be
>jumping to the defense of phyto and Mosey?
I can't speak for anyone else but... on Sunday when this was being
posted I was at a conference on the Divine Feminie at Northwestern
University. And now I am at work and I am swamped. Not that I mean to
pull the "I have better things to do than be on the internet" card, but
really, on weekends lots of people are actually out there doing the
hobby, right?
To my dismay there were NO boxes listed on LB.org or AQ in Evanston
[IL]! You would think with the university and the the college and the
temples and the vast numbers of gorgeous locations in that town, there
would be some. bummer. It's a total pain to drive the hour plus there
and find parking, and since I was going to do that anyway, thought it
would be great to combine it.
However, I have learned thru this brou-ha-ha there might be some boxes
there, just not listed on those websites. There was one in Skokie, and
I dragged my best friend and helped her find it. It was fun. I
literally was so freakin' busy getting ready for this conference
[getting up at 6 am to go pick up numerous people, not getitng home
until after evening receptions only to fall in bed and do it all again
on little sleep] that this weekend I did not have time to sit and snark
on the internet. :-)
I think I did support Phyto though -- I just posted that they are his
boxes to do what he wishes. And I believe that. Just like it is his
business how he finds boxes. As long as he is sealing them up and
rehiding them as they were....
I *think* Mosey lives in my area, IIRC. Someday I may actually try and
find those boxes. I am aware of the clues on Mosey's website. I never
thought you could google for clues though. If Mosey [not sure of he or
she pronoun here] prefers to post clues on a personal website, well, so
what. If Mosey prefers to write clues and put them in a bottle and drop
the bottle in the ocean and hope someone finds it... so what. it is
Mosey's time and effort. Not mine. It doesn't hurt me.
The only disagreement I really had was the intimation that if you don't
place you are not giving anything to the community. I think
letterboxing is all about relationship, about giving and receiving.
Some people give, some receive. There is an element of mutuality. You
can't give without a receiver. If someone hides a box would they not
prefer that someone go looking and find it? Is that not why one goes to
the trouble? So if I take the time -- 5 minutes or 5 weeks -- to find
the box then I have engaged with the placer. If the placer does not
value that engagement, said placer will probably stop hiding boxes
eventually. I have only planted one box outside by the way -- and I did
so bc a nice lady in this town had hidden a good 10-12 boxes for me to
find, as well as finding everything in the local area. So I planted one
just to give her something new to do. And she went and found it. If
someone else finds it that will be nice too.
Honestly I found the whole placing thing to be a giant PITA. And I
don't like carving stamps! But I might change. I've only been doing
this 3 months, give me a second here.
I think the main rule is, don't flame people on the mailing list.
Though personally it's not my business if people do, I am not a
moderator here. It's not place to tell people to settle down. We
certainly have some very passionate people in letterboxing.
Freelance Mystic
178 pages scrapbooked/10 mini albums made in 2006
286 pages scrapped in 2005
CKU-A Chicago Alumna, 2006
My ScrapBlog -- http://www.myscrapblog.com/Epinoia/ <-- updated 8/21/06
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Many are the wand bearers, few are the Bakkhoi."
~ Orphic saying
>jumping to the defense of phyto and Mosey?
I can't speak for anyone else but... on Sunday when this was being
posted I was at a conference on the Divine Feminie at Northwestern
University. And now I am at work and I am swamped. Not that I mean to
pull the "I have better things to do than be on the internet" card, but
really, on weekends lots of people are actually out there doing the
hobby, right?
To my dismay there were NO boxes listed on LB.org or AQ in Evanston
[IL]! You would think with the university and the the college and the
temples and the vast numbers of gorgeous locations in that town, there
would be some. bummer. It's a total pain to drive the hour plus there
and find parking, and since I was going to do that anyway, thought it
would be great to combine it.
However, I have learned thru this brou-ha-ha there might be some boxes
there, just not listed on those websites. There was one in Skokie, and
I dragged my best friend and helped her find it. It was fun. I
literally was so freakin' busy getting ready for this conference
[getting up at 6 am to go pick up numerous people, not getitng home
until after evening receptions only to fall in bed and do it all again
on little sleep] that this weekend I did not have time to sit and snark
on the internet. :-)
I think I did support Phyto though -- I just posted that they are his
boxes to do what he wishes. And I believe that. Just like it is his
business how he finds boxes. As long as he is sealing them up and
rehiding them as they were....
I *think* Mosey lives in my area, IIRC. Someday I may actually try and
find those boxes. I am aware of the clues on Mosey's website. I never
thought you could google for clues though. If Mosey [not sure of he or
she pronoun here] prefers to post clues on a personal website, well, so
what. If Mosey prefers to write clues and put them in a bottle and drop
the bottle in the ocean and hope someone finds it... so what. it is
Mosey's time and effort. Not mine. It doesn't hurt me.
The only disagreement I really had was the intimation that if you don't
place you are not giving anything to the community. I think
letterboxing is all about relationship, about giving and receiving.
Some people give, some receive. There is an element of mutuality. You
can't give without a receiver. If someone hides a box would they not
prefer that someone go looking and find it? Is that not why one goes to
the trouble? So if I take the time -- 5 minutes or 5 weeks -- to find
the box then I have engaged with the placer. If the placer does not
value that engagement, said placer will probably stop hiding boxes
eventually. I have only planted one box outside by the way -- and I did
so bc a nice lady in this town had hidden a good 10-12 boxes for me to
find, as well as finding everything in the local area. So I planted one
just to give her something new to do. And she went and found it. If
someone else finds it that will be nice too.
Honestly I found the whole placing thing to be a giant PITA. And I
don't like carving stamps! But I might change. I've only been doing
this 3 months, give me a second here.
I think the main rule is, don't flame people on the mailing list.
Though personally it's not my business if people do, I am not a
moderator here. It's not place to tell people to settle down. We
certainly have some very passionate people in letterboxing.
Freelance Mystic
178 pages scrapbooked/10 mini albums made in 2006
286 pages scrapped in 2005
CKU-A Chicago Alumna, 2006
My ScrapBlog -- http://www.myscrapblog.com/Epinoia/ <-- updated 8/21/06
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Many are the wand bearers, few are the Bakkhoi."
~ Orphic saying
Re: [LbNA] Re:I wonder...
From: Barefoot Lucy (barefootlucy@gmail.com) |
Date: 2006-11-28 17:27:55 UTC-06:00
On 11/28/06, The FM Girl wrote:
I think letterboxing is all about relationship, about giving and receiving.
Some people give, some receive. There is an element of mutuality. You
can't give without a receiver. If someone hides a box would they not
prefer that someone go looking and find it?
************
So if you are a receiver and I am a giver, it is entirely on my back as a
giver to fulfill your mission as a receiver? That's kind of like saying
"let's share the sled - you can have it on the trips up the hill, and I'll
have it on the trips down the hill."
I agree with you though that it IS about giving and receiving. BUT - until
you've had the opportunity to both give AND receive, you really can't
understand the dynamics of the whole game. You can have a real good idea,
but you don't get the whole picture. By understanding the feelings and
efforts that go into being a placer, you become a better finder. By being a
really good finder, you become more attuned to how to create boxes worth
finding.
--
Barefoot Lucy
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"
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I think letterboxing is all about relationship, about giving and receiving.
Some people give, some receive. There is an element of mutuality. You
can't give without a receiver. If someone hides a box would they not
prefer that someone go looking and find it?
************
So if you are a receiver and I am a giver, it is entirely on my back as a
giver to fulfill your mission as a receiver? That's kind of like saying
"let's share the sled - you can have it on the trips up the hill, and I'll
have it on the trips down the hill."
I agree with you though that it IS about giving and receiving. BUT - until
you've had the opportunity to both give AND receive, you really can't
understand the dynamics of the whole game. You can have a real good idea,
but you don't get the whole picture. By understanding the feelings and
efforts that go into being a placer, you become a better finder. By being a
really good finder, you become more attuned to how to create boxes worth
finding.
--
Barefoot Lucy
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"
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Re: [LbNA] Re:I wonder...
From: SpringChick (letterbox@comcast.net) |
Date: 2006-11-29 06:22:19 UTC-05:00
I think you are missing the point of mutuality. While it is about a give and receive relationship, it is better defined as both parties giving and both thus receiving. Saying that some are the givers and some are the receivers is like showing up to the office christmas party with gift in hand, to find that half of your co-workers had not brought gifts to exchange, rather they will be the gift receivers. While the gift giving experience certainly needs recipients to be meaningful, and it can even be said that some people prefer the giving over the receiving, I think most people would agree that in order for it to be considered mutual, both parties give and both receive.
In letterboxing there is no obligation to place or to find. A person can choose to do one or the other or some self-defined combination of the two. I would agree with other comments that have been made that a person should not plant a box just because they feel obligated to do so, rather planting a box should be because a person truly wants to do so, whether that be a desire to create something or to give something to other letterboxers -- the reasoning is not important. Some people may never want to plant a box and that is fine, although I agree with Lucy that it is difficult to get a true big-picture perspective on the game without actively participating from both the finding and the planting. So be it, it is still okay to not plant.
However, I wouldn't consider it to be a fully mutual relationship in that case. It is true that finders are a necessary part of the letterboxing equation, but they are still on the receiving end of the equation. So while a person who only finds boxes is most certainly an integral and valued part of the letterboxing game, they are not necessarily giving anthing other than participation, which is a fundamental given from anyone who letterboxes.
You youself gave the example of the person in your area who had planted several boxes and you then planted one to give something back to her. To follow your reasoning, there would have been no need to plant a box for her, rather it should have been giving enough that you looked for her boxes.
SpringChick
Disclaimer... this is entirely my opinion and not meant to be a mandate or the making of a rule or police decree. You may or may not agree and that is okay. This is meant only to present my perspective, not to win you over or attempt to tell you how to think or to imply that you or anyone else are not "real" letterboxers if you do not share my perspective. As with anything else, taking any part of the above out of context will no doubt provide you with material to support your own arguments and show just cause for flinging rutabagas in willy-nilly fashion at anyone you consider to be an elitist.
----- Original Message -----
From: The FM Girl
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: [LbNA] Re:I wonder...
The only disagreement I really had was the intimation that if you don't
place you are not giving anything to the community. I think
letterboxing is all about relationship, about giving and receiving.
Some people give, some receive. There is an element of mutuality. You
can't give without a receiver.
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In letterboxing there is no obligation to place or to find. A person can choose to do one or the other or some self-defined combination of the two. I would agree with other comments that have been made that a person should not plant a box just because they feel obligated to do so, rather planting a box should be because a person truly wants to do so, whether that be a desire to create something or to give something to other letterboxers -- the reasoning is not important. Some people may never want to plant a box and that is fine, although I agree with Lucy that it is difficult to get a true big-picture perspective on the game without actively participating from both the finding and the planting. So be it, it is still okay to not plant.
However, I wouldn't consider it to be a fully mutual relationship in that case. It is true that finders are a necessary part of the letterboxing equation, but they are still on the receiving end of the equation. So while a person who only finds boxes is most certainly an integral and valued part of the letterboxing game, they are not necessarily giving anthing other than participation, which is a fundamental given from anyone who letterboxes.
You youself gave the example of the person in your area who had planted several boxes and you then planted one to give something back to her. To follow your reasoning, there would have been no need to plant a box for her, rather it should have been giving enough that you looked for her boxes.
SpringChick
Disclaimer... this is entirely my opinion and not meant to be a mandate or the making of a rule or police decree. You may or may not agree and that is okay. This is meant only to present my perspective, not to win you over or attempt to tell you how to think or to imply that you or anyone else are not "real" letterboxers if you do not share my perspective. As with anything else, taking any part of the above out of context will no doubt provide you with material to support your own arguments and show just cause for flinging rutabagas in willy-nilly fashion at anyone you consider to be an elitist.
----- Original Message -----
From: The FM Girl
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: [LbNA] Re:I wonder...
The only disagreement I really had was the intimation that if you don't
place you are not giving anything to the community. I think
letterboxing is all about relationship, about giving and receiving.
Some people give, some receive. There is an element of mutuality. You
can't give without a receiver.
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Re:I wonder...
From: pell_lake_girl (mishiekins@prodigy.net) |
Date: 2006-11-29 16:03:09 UTC
Where in the world did I say YOU had to do ANYTHING?
No where, that's where. If you want to give, you give. And others receive. How can you give
with no one to receive? You can't.
If you don't want to give, then don't. But don't put some martyrdom on me, like oh you
have to give bc I am forcing you to do so.
Freelance Mystic
>
> I think letterboxing is all about relationship, about giving and receiving.
> Some people give, some receive. There is an element of mutuality. You
> can't give without a receiver. If someone hides a box would they not
> prefer that someone go looking and find it?
>
> ************
>
> So if you are a receiver and I am a giver, it is entirely on my back as a
> giver to fulfill your mission as a receiver? That's kind of like saying
> "let's share the sled - you can have it on the trips up the hill, and I'll
> have it on the trips down the hill."
No where, that's where. If you want to give, you give. And others receive. How can you give
with no one to receive? You can't.
If you don't want to give, then don't. But don't put some martyrdom on me, like oh you
have to give bc I am forcing you to do so.
Freelance Mystic
>
> I think letterboxing is all about relationship, about giving and receiving.
> Some people give, some receive. There is an element of mutuality. You
> can't give without a receiver. If someone hides a box would they not
> prefer that someone go looking and find it?
>
> ************
>
> So if you are a receiver and I am a giver, it is entirely on my back as a
> giver to fulfill your mission as a receiver? That's kind of like saying
> "let's share the sled - you can have it on the trips up the hill, and I'll
> have it on the trips down the hill."
[LbNA] Re:I wonder...
From: pell_lake_girl (mishiekins@prodigy.net) |
Date: 2006-11-29 16:22:03 UTC
>
> You youself gave the example of the person in your area who had planted several boxes
and you then planted one to give something back to her. To follow your reasoning, there
would have been no need to plant a box for her, rather it should have been giving enough
that you looked for her boxes.
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Absolutely. That is exactly what I meant. I had no obligation whatsoever, and there was no
need at all bc she got enough joy out of me finding and appreciating her boxes. That was
my gift to her. She did appreciate the box I planted, but just my appreciation of her
planting efforts was enough for her.
For me, receiving is a gift. I have had many such occasions where I gave gifts and no one
gave "gifts" back [including at Christmas] -- but their presence was a gift. Their receiving
is a gift. Their appreciation is a gift to me. Perhaps I am being too metaphysical here. [I am
used to posting more on esoteric spiritual lists. The giving/receiving is a part of
Benedictine philosophy. It's connected to the charism of hospitality.]
To follow that logic... if someone is a lurker on this list and never says a word... if they
read my posts and think about them, they receive, that is enough. A comment back is
awesome of course -- but it is not why I write.
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> Disclaimer... this is entirely my opinion and not meant to be a mandate or the making
of a rule or police decree. You may or may not agree and that is okay.
Okay, I totally get it and appreciate that. I thought your post was also written in language
that made that clear, even without the disclaimer, but thank you for it anyway.
Freelance Mystic